Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:28:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608200228.UAA02924@Rt66.com> X-Sender: rifetech@Rt66.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: firstname.lastname@example.org From: rifetech@Rt66.com (James Bare) Subject: Re: correspondence, Rife (fwd)
Just finished reading your discourse,[ablood1.htm] quite interesting , and I agree with nearly all of it. Do have a few comments to make and some general observations I have made about the device while in operation.
On page 7 you talk about the breakdown voltage and the need for time to pass before the tube lights. What has been found is that the tube when connected to the system and left untouched, will maintain some sort of capactive charge within it that makes lighting easy. Disconnect or touch the tube ( discharge it) and lighting can be more problematical. Cold weather even though it is warm in the room will also make starting the tube more difficult. Typically if it has been some days between firing the tube one will have to go through several repetitive episodes of applying power to the tube and then shutting off till the tube finally lights.
The Paschen curve applies to voltage excited tubes, RF is funny stuff, the voltage may be there, but the plasma still won't light (skin effects?). Needless to say your call for a separate high voltage starting circuit is an improvement worth working towards.
Look up electroporation - where the cell wall becomes permeable when a voltage differential is applied to it in the realm of .5 to 1.5 volts. This figure is misleading as the total field strength to accomplish this is in the realm of several millions of volts per meter squared.
On page 12 you talk about an immume system response. This has occurred and further a slight leuckoctosis develops over a period of a few weeks with white blood cell counts in excess of 10,000 not being unusual in some cases. Other observed effects seem to be related to the hormonal systems.
A very good way to measure the otuput of the tube has been found, this is with a radiometer. These have readouts in ergs per cm squared and will register most if not all of the tubes output. Not just the RF component.
Some organisms have more than one MOR, this may be due to harmonics or perhaps the effects on different parts of the organism. The square wave is something like a shot gun, you don't have to hit the target directly to get results. Undeniably the use of a primary frequency may have better effects, the problem is finding it. For example I've been able to destroy blepharisma at 3050 cycles with about 25 minutes expsoure, or can do the same thing in abut 40 seconds at 924 cycles. Someone is going to have to try your spiked wave form to see what happens - could be an improvement.
Testing has shown the quality of the square wave is VERY important as is its rise time. The shorter the rise time the higher the current the wave carries. My Lodestar unit has a rise time of 500 nanoseconds which is several orders of magnitude faster than a standard function generator. Standard distortion rates of 1% are unacceptable, rates of from .05% to .03% produce markedly better results.
I am currently using modulation rates up over 125% to pulse or gate the RF. You state that the plasma starts easier with no modulation to the carrier frequency. I have not found this to be so even using a bulb type of tube with internal electrodes. In fact for some unknown reason the plasma likes to strike with about 700 cycles of applied modulation. Too high or too low an applied audio freq and the plasma is hard to strike. This phenomena occurred even before I was overmodulating the CB.
Mercury in the tube produces a very unsettling effect on the nervous system and I don't like it. Mercury in the tubes may have some uses, but this is a matter for further investigation.
The electrodes on a standard neon tube can be used to start the tube by application of RF through the electrodes, but my experience has shown these are bandpass filters more suited to high voltages and not hig frequencies. In other words the electrodes damp out the effeciency of the waves.
Helium gas has a lot of internal relistance to RF and will get hot, and then even more resistive causing the whole operational system to be stressed.
One metal that may work out even better than kovar or stainless for the electrodes is tantalum. Aluminum is good stuff for the reasons you state, but it has a low melting point making relatively long operational times possible dangerous to the metal.
I too feel Rife never fully told Crane all that was going on with the device. In fact I have been in contact with someone that paid a lot of money (tens of thousands) to Crane for a late model Crane plasma tube unit that never did much of anything . He is now running the tube off of the Crane unit on one of my deivces with very good successes. The tube that is in my book was made about 1947 and is not of Cranes' manufacture. I don't have the full story on where it came from, just the date, which would make it pre Crane.
Hope this furthers your research, so much needs to be explored yet. Someone is about to start working with different gas mixtures, electrode types, and spacing, as well as pressures to see what can be learned. Another person is now testing a glass bulb type of tube that he plans to make commercially and the price should be around 300 dollars! He just needs to run it for a few weeks to see how his choice of components hold up. Keep at it, we are all pioneers in this endeavor and part of pioneering is theory and part is just hard won results from testing. I really appreciate all your input and research, it helps us all move forward.
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From: rifetech@Rt66.com (James Bare) Subject: Re: correspondence, Rife (fwd)
Bare: Some people I know that spent large sums of money and time tracking down existing Rife units found most of them ran anywhere from 30 to 33 Mhz. But others were made that ran at as low as three Mhz. I believe that the effects of the device on some micro organisms was very dependent upon the carrier wave as well as the modulated audio(MOR).
Blood: They called it an Audion tube, but from what I read elsewhere this was a generic name for the early tubes because Audion controlled the patents for some time in Vaccuum tubes.
Bare: I agree with your interpretation.
Blood: Was the tube length matched to the r.f.?
Bare: Unknown,( I assume here you are talking about the treatment tube) certainly the large size of the envelope aided in cooling. If you are asking about the audion tube I haven't the faintest idea.
Blood: A surviving lab page you may have seen mentioned I think 11.78 Meg or thereabouts as the audion resonant frequency....How does the output tube help the equipment fire without impedence matching?
Bare: There are 50 of these pages I am aware of, each for a different disease, what was omitted from that page in the Lynes book is that there is also an audio frequency on each of the 50 pages. Talked to the present holder of these pages some time ago. Doubtful that anyone will ever get to read or see them.
Bare: Frequency is matched to the unit as a whole. The entire device is resonant, shift the carrier freq, retune the circuit, shift the audio frequency retune the circuit. Changing the tube or its gas, the coax, the balun, the linear, or any other part means retuning the circuit even though all other variables remain static.
Blood: 5% Penning mixes wouldnt be right. Refer Meeks & Cragg or Meek & Cragg under Plasma physics or electrical discharge (in gases). One mix was I think 0.025% Ar in He. For Ar I presume you would need some Xe, but you would have to look at Penning papers for that. I looked at stuff like that at first but realised its of no help to the long field model.
Bare: You are right, but it is impossible to get small percentages of a gas from a standard sign shop. With enough money one could have their own lab set up and turn out custom tubes at some incredible, cost is no object , price each. Real world about 5% is all the tolerance any shop could be asked to perform.
Blood: A group in the US had a conference and cooked up all sorts of ideas about gas mixes based on "noted" ? healing effects of various gas colours. These people have locked themselves into technical/commercial secrecy and will talk to no-one.
Bare: Their ideas will die with them, as it did with Rife and all the others that tried this sillyness sixty years ago. Most of the so called healing effects are derived from Dinshaw and others of similar ilk. Besides the spectral output of the gas in the tube is dependent upon the applied audio frequency and problably the carrier frequency too. Not sharing information or not doing anything with acquired knowledge means little to the world as a whole.
Blood: I hope their "bosses" will try my approach. They were looking at your wire wrap idea a couple of years ago.
Bare: Oh well looking and doing are two different things. Right now wrapping with wire works very well and best of all is cost effective,a ready to go tube with wire, clamps and such is under 40 dollars. But that doesn't mean there isn't room for a lot of improvement. One fellow for example is driving through the internal electrodes in the ends of his tube with driving coils attached over the electrodes.
Bare: As far as I am concerned a commercial, health care model of the device is going to need a treatment tube such as you propose. You just need to work out the variables and then with a little bit of time when frequency therapy becomes more accepted a market will quickly develop.
Blood: Any microbiology student could do a sample count per field for neutrophils, eosinophils, monocytes, macrophages etc, but easiest for them with Gram staining, otherwise phase contrast.
Blood: By all means try Tantalum, it may not sputter at around 1000 V with Argon, and it strikes easier than most metals. What sort of tubes is your freind talking about?
Bare: Pyrex glass apparently. Don't have a lot of info about them other than he is using stainless electrode plates that are quite thin.He said it fired up first time he keyed the mike.
Bare: Would like to try tantalum some day when I get rich, I cannot even imagine what a piece of 1 inch bar stock would cost. I paid something 4 dollars a pound for a couple of small pieces of scrap at a junkyard. I bought a little over a pound and it was no more than 1 inch wide by 1/8th of an inch thick and about 5 inches long total. Last I heard it was selling for something like 20 dollars or so an ounce.
Blood: There is also supposed to be a stainless Steel to pyrex seal. We have found it difficult to prevent oxidation of s.s. and Nickel or Nickel alloy in the process of manufacture in pyrex. At least with pure Al we expect the oxide coat not to sputter, and to stay thin.
Bare: My electrodes are nickel plated and it is gradually burning off and reacting with the metal coming off the pin like electrodes I placed on the cathode of the tube. So nickel I think is out, the kovar seals are hoding up very well however, and the glass material is pyrex. I got lucky and found a glass blower that used to work for General Electric making X-ray tubes.
Bare: One question I do have will the oxide covering react or contaminate the gas. Gas purity is critical to propper operation of the tube.
Blood: Wer the wbc count tests done after plasma treatment?
Blood:Is the effect independent of audio rate as I suspect?
Bare: Unknown generally a whole series of frequencies are run so if one is doing this I don't know.
Blood: If so we are talking about an effect separate from Rife's in vitro mor findings.
Bare: Maybe, different structures within the cell can be affected at different frequencies and therefore it is possible to have multiple MOR's. I have actually seen this occurrance.
Blood: In Perth WA Dr Holt uses microwave to stimulate cancer cell proliferation shortly before X-ray treatment in order to get a better cancer cell kill rate per exposure, giving a program with much reduced X-ray sessions and less tissue damage.
Bare: This may or may not be OK, how long does the stimulation last? Further are there any lab tests or protocols that show a safe limit of cellular debris in the blood? This is an important consideration that needs to be answered.
Blood: He claims that the introduction of TV transmission in the 60's in this small city saw a rise in overall cancer incidence due to r.f. stimulation. I tie this in with the discussion on requirement for growth factor stimulation for cancer cell division as noted in the orthodox cancer literature.
Bare: Good for the Cancer business,- lots of power lines, cellular phones, pagers, radio and tv transmitters, not to mention microwaves from land and space based transmitters. Literal soup of EMF we now live in. Impossible to aviod except at great expense.
Blood: Therefore does r.f. stimulate release of hormones from ? T-lymphocytes .... perhaps not so much due to e.m.radiation photons as proximity to the transmission towers...ie electric field distortions? And WHY a hormone release? If we assume a negative control feedback, as in most similar bio-programs, there will be secretion unless the override function operates...and r.f. field distortion causes an upset to the override function. The only other alternative hypothesis would be actual membrane damage stimulating an "injury response".
Bare: There are studies on some of this with microwaves,but hormonal release may not play a part. Have found by watching WBC behavior in my microscope that many WBC's exchange protoplasmic material, best guess is to transfer a bit of some offending substance and therefore allow quick response to invading pathogens. In other words the immune system is ready before the numbers of the pathogen have reached a critical state.
Bare: As you can see, there is a lot of research yet to be done, having a device that produces physiologic effects is one thing, yet much needs yet to be developed . First and foremeost for me is some sort of treatment protocol standardization. Making a better device is of high importance, but in my country yesterday 1400 people died of Cancer alone and tomorrow another 1400 will die. My present focus is to see that these numbers start to drop.